The Set: Bayern 2–5 Werder Bremen

by Double Pivot on September 24, 2008 · 6 comments

You call this a for­ma­tion?
Bayern’s Odd 5-3-2

Seven notes on Werder dis­man­tle­ment of FC Bay­ern at the Allianz.

1. Stereo­typ­ing

A defen­sive player usu­ally makes an attack-minded coach and an attack­ing player usu­ally makes a defense-minded coach. Granted, there are excep­tions such as the Bruno Labbadia’s of this world, but the gen­eral rule of thumb holds enough merit to over­come the fact that Rinus Michaels was a for­ward and Hele­nio Her­rera was a defender.

Look­ing at some of the more attack minded coaches, we see that Rijkaard was a hold­ing mid and Arsene Wenger was a defender. Lau­rent Blanc, a great center-half, is com­mit­ted to attack­ing foot­ball at Bor­deaux. Mar­tin Jol was a defen­sive mid­fielder and Croa­t­ian man­ager Sla­van Bilic was a defender. Bill Nichol­son and Ernst Hap­pel were both center-halves. And Werder trainer Thomas Schaaf, the ex-hardman, has long been the most attack-minded man­ager in the Bundesliga.

Up until the Euro’s, Marco Van Basten’s time at the Oranje was marked by dour foot­ball. Mark Hughes played such neg­a­tive foot­ball at Black­burn, it was unwatch­able. George Gra­ham, he of the 1–0 to the Arse­nal, was a for­ward. Fabio Capello, who was an attack­ing mid­fielder, is known for unin­spir­ing foot­ball. Much like another Spurs attacker, Glen Hod­dle, it seems that Jur­gen Klins­mann is focused on defense and specif­i­cally a five man back line.

It’s Cate­nac­cio foot­ball, plain and sim­ple. No mat­ter how you dress it up, any descrip­tion of it as for­ward think­ing or attack­ing is a lie. It’s a sweeper sys­tem and it’s dour.

2. Pay No Atten­tion to the Man Behind the Curtain

Just this past Fri­day, I sug­gested a 5–3-2 with a dou­ble pivot as a defen­sive for­ma­tion against a fluid attack­ing team for an injury depleted Han­nover. I take it back. For that mat­ter, I am done from this day for­ward with a five man back line. It’s a flat back four for me. The five man back line just leaves you weak in the mid­field, espe­cially in a time of five man mid-fields.

For Klins­mann, this sys­tem was a dis­as­ter. Lucio was too quick to break ranks and join the attack. So when the full­backs and Lucio pushed for­ward, strength quickly turned into weak­ness with just DiMiche­lis and Van Buyten hold­ing the fort. Lahm and Lell, while com­pe­tent, full­backs, are no sub­sti­tute for true mid­field­ers. And with only Toni, Schwe­in­steiger and Podolsi com­mit­ted to attack, the for­ma­tion stunk of 5–2-1–2. His mid­field was over­run and Toni was pick­ing up the ball deep in the mid­field for most of the first half.

There have been many sug­ges­tions that had Toni con­verted his early chance, the game would have been dif­fer­ent. I seri­ously doubt that, because clearly the sys­tem wasn’t designed for pos­ses­sion, which suits a cre­ative team such as Werder. On top of that with deep lying mid­field­ers and five defend­ers, the sys­tem was inca­pable of han­dling the abil­ity of Diego and Ozil to pull out defend­ers and then exploit the open spaces.

3. I am the Great and Pow­er­ful OZ!

Then again, I have said since the begin­ning of last year that this was a team built for the 4–2-3–1, which then became the fash­ion at Euro 2008. And it’s still true to this day. They have two good hold­ers in Van Bom­mel and Ze Roberto. They have fluid attack­ers that can play across the pitch. They have one of the three best solo for­wards in the world in Luca Toni.

Just look at how more flu­idly they played when Sosa and Borowski had joined Scwe­in­steiger as AMs. Granted it was a five goal deficit at that point, but had those two been out there from the begin­ning then Vran­jes and Bau­mann would have been pinned back and Boenisch would not have been allowed the free­dom to sup­port Ozil down the left. In addi­tion, they could have forced Diego and Ozil deeper into attack where Ze Roberto and Van Bom­mel could have han­dled them more efficiently.

4. Speak­ing of Magic in Oz(il)

I could under­stand why Schalke gave up on Mesut Ozil. He never really inspired con­fi­dence while play­ing for the Royal Blues. Some­thing has clearly changed at Werder Bre­men. He is on pur­ple patch of epic pro­por­tion this sea­son. Per­haps he had a change in atti­tude after Schalke’s part­ing dig to his lack of heart.

How­ever, I think he just moved from a sys­tem where he didn’t work to a sys­tem where he does. At Schalke, he never played in a four man mid­field. It was always a 4–5-1 or 4–3-3. He’s a speedy and cre­ative attack­ing mid. In a 4–5-1, his chan­nels were clogged. In a 4–3-3, he was stranded. Now he’s part of a 4–4-2, with a bril­liant con­duc­tor in Diego to sup­ply him with the ball in men­ac­ing posi­tions. No longer expected to just run at defenses, he is now allowed to cre­ate from any­where on the pitch. His best pass in this game may have been a flick on from deep in his own third to start a counter.

I’m happy to see him flour­ish­ing as he was such a bright prospect, who seemed to fade away last year.

5. Are You Kid­ding Me?

Michael Rens­ing has taken way too much blame for this loss. Astro­nom­i­cally way too much blame. Did he have a bad game? No. He had a bad sec­ond half. Should Bay­ern give up on him? God No! Will they? Hell yes. And he will go onto another club and even­tu­ally become an out­stand­ing goalie. The kid is 24 years old, which is extremely young for the posi­tion, and replac­ing an absolute leg­end. He was always going to have some rough patches this year. Rather than giv­ing up on him, every­one should take a breath and give the young keeper time to mature.

Goal #1
Lucio steps way too far ahead. Ozil threads a beau­ti­ful pass (nut­meg­ging DiMiche­lis) to Rosen­borg who is graft­ing freely between the nut­megged and Van Buy­ton. Rens­ing makes him­self big as he takes on the charg­ing for­ward, but Rosen­borg gets it by him. Not his fault!

Goal #2

Ozil sup­plies a low tra­jec­tory cross to Per Mete­sacker. Per­haps Rens­ing could have come out for the ball, but the low tra­jec­tory and Metesacker’s run make it a dodgy propo­si­tion. Rens­ing holds his line, Van Buyten loses Per and he’s able to get a foot to the ball. Rens­ing saves, but Naldo is there to clean up with Schwe­in­steiger, Dimeche­lis and Lucio immo­bile as the two Werder center-halves run unabated through their area. Not his fault!

Goal #3
A rocket by Ozil to the upper right cor­ner. No way Rens­ing, in fact any keeper, gets to this ball. Lucio and Oddo, hav­ing seen Ozil light up the game in the first half, decide not to close down on the MOM. Not his fault!

Goal #4
Now com­pletely at a loss, Rens­ing makes his first blun­der. As Van Bom­mel allows Rosen­borg to get to the byline, DiMiche­lis makes a half-hearted attempt to close down. He lets Rosen­borg thread a pass to Pizarro, who is too strong for Lahm at his back. Rens­ing is close to the play and moves too late and then allows his near post to be exploited. His fault!

Goal #5
Some call this one a gift. But once again the defense let Rens­ing down. Per Mete­sacker is com­pletely open on the free-kick. Rens­ing attacks the ball but misses it. Per’s threat is neu­tral­ized. How­ever the ball falls to Rosen­borg, who is free between an unin­ter­ested Lahm and Van Bom­mel and eas­ily slots in the loose ball. Bad luck!

6. The Biggest Loser

Lucio is a lia­bil­ity. DiMiche­lis is only “world class” as Rum­menigge described, if Van Buy­tun is too. By the way, he isn’t.

So by next sum­mer, Bay­ern are going to have to rethink their back-line. My gut feel­ing is that Dort­mund loaned Mats Hum­mels will be brought back and given time to fash­ion an actual “world class” mid­field with Brazil­ian Breno. Hum­mels is already bet­ter than all three of Klinsmann’s center-halves at the wee age of 19.

This is a shame for Dor­mund as Hum­mels and Sub­otic are the most excit­ing pair­ing to come along in ages. Any chances of turn­ing the loan into a per­ma­nent deal are being eroded by the play of FC Bay­ern and the out­stand­ing form of Hummels.

7. Europe Ahoy!

On the plus side, this uber-defensive style should see Bay­ern make a seri­ous run in Europe, where defense wins.

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6 comments… read them below or add one

1 Luke September 25, 2008 at 10:54 am

A couple points:

The comment on the 4-2-3-1 is spot on. This was too hastily abandoned after some really nice results in a few early matches last season. Then they seemed to settle into a 4-4-2 and that brought on the stretch of really sluggish performances in the late autumn, including the loss at Stuttgart. Also, some will question “how can a team that set the record for least goals allowed in the Bundesliga suddenly turn this bad?'” DP has a significant part of the answer when talking about the scheme changes in the midfield, I think. But it doesn't change the fact that the defenders *are* fatally slow.

I'm putting goal #5 on Rensing–because I don't believe that he would have come out to play that ball like that in a 0-0 match. It was a desperation move to make up for the bad play minutes before, and he made it worse. So, hey at least he has a conscience, and isn't wagging a finger at Lucio or Demichelis, (which he would be within his right to do). But Rensing is in a bad situation, really. Last season would have been the ideal time for him to have his “development” year. The stakes were lower in the UEFA Cup, all the media attention was focused on the new signings, and Ottmar Hitzfeld didn't have anything to prove. I still feel, that if he's jittery in the big matches, he really isn't Bayern material. Oddly, he was far from jittery when pressed into service in the Champions League two seasons ago. So palace intrigue is a good thing, we need to find out if he can weather it, because it's always about more than playing the matches at Bayern.

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2 Andrew Freeman September 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm

I don't really think Bayerns flaw lies within the formation. The problem is that the 5-3-2 they attempted to play relies on a ver strong core with freedom and attacking coming from the wing backs. Their center backs do not fit the necessary role because all of them will charge forward at some point in the game (Lucio especially) and be too slow to Return. Also the wingbacks must control the flanks. this crap with Podolski only playing on the left side. it completely hampers the formation; leaving Toni isolated in the middle is easy for defenders and I think based on the World cup that Lukas works better playing a pair.

I think that formation can work but it relies on the midfielders playing a triangle with Schweini up top (not this floating to the right bs) and MVB and Ze playing strictly defensive. The back 3 cannot attack, the wingbacks have to play the whole line with less defensive duty (think how Lahm plays when he attacks down the flank with Germany). I hate to say it but i think this formation would work better without Luca because he is more of a Center Forward the way he holds up the ball and Lukas and Miro can make the runs that you need to pick apart that back line.

Thank god Franck is back, now we can play the good old 4-2-2-2 =)
Id also like to Add the Borowski should be captain based on recent play and frankly i like him in the middle more than MVB

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3 lsmetana September 26, 2008 at 7:40 am

I agree the most with your fifth point. Rensing was hung out to dry by players who simply were not on their game in that match with Bremen. It'll be interesting to see which Bayern team shows up this weekend after their mid-week cup win.

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4 ed hardy January 3, 2010 at 9:47 pm

I agree the most with your fifth point. Rensing was hung out to dry by players who simply were not on their game in that match with Bremen. It’ll be interesting to see which Bayern team shows up this weekend after their mid-week cup win.

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5 tatil otelleri February 19, 2010 at 5:30 am

I agree the most with your fifth point. Rensing was hung out to dry by players who simply were not on their game in that match with Bremen. It’ll be interesting to see which Bayern team shows up this weekend after their mid-week cup win.

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6 iyimi August 16, 2010 at 4:50 pm

I agree the most with your fifth point. Rensing was hung out to dry by players who simply were not on their game in that match with Bremen. It’ll be interesting to see which Bayern team shows up this weekend after their mid-week cup win.

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