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		<title>Pondering the Possibilities of the Atlantic League</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Double Pivot</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the Aughts have been full of speculation/proposal about the Old Firm joining the EPL, the 90’s was about the Old Firm joining what was dubbed as the Atlantic League. It was a joint proposal from the big clubs in the Netherlands, Scotland and Portugal. ESPN is reporting that there may be another attempt at [...]]]></description>
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<p>While the Aughts have been full of speculation/proposal about the Old Firm joining the EPL, the 90’s was about the Old Firm joining what was dubbed as the Atlantic League.  It was a joint proposal from the big clubs in the Netherlands, Scotland and Portugal.   <a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=685158&#038;sec=europe&#038;cc=5901">ESPN is reporting that there may be another attempt at this break away league</a>, which would involve the aforementioned clubs along with Belgium and the Scandinavian clubs.   </p>
<p>I’m all for tradition, but I like the idea of this league.  </p>
<p>For one reason, historic clubs such as Ajax, Celtic, Rangers, Porto (Mourinho-era aside), Sporting, Benfica, PSV, Anderlecht and FC Copenhagen have no hope of competing in the Champions League any longer as they are financially dwarfed by the clubs in the big six leagues of Europe.  These are massive clubs and don’t deserve to become also-rans because of the size of their country’s population.</p>
<p>For another Scandinavia, which once produced clubs that could cause an upset in Europe, have been reduced to two clubs in the Europa League.  Norway and Sweden, which produce many talents for other clubs, haven’t had a team in the knock-out stages since the mid-90’s.  Both confederations sit in the 20’s in the coefficient rankings.   And Denmark hasn’t been much better, although they do typically have a team in the group stages.</p>
<p>If Michel Platini is about strengthening these leagues, then allowing smaller countries to consolidate to fight the money and populations of Italy, Spain, France, England, Russia and Germany is only fair.  And with German clubs again complaining about the 50+1 rule, as was discussed here earlier, such a change would only help push the Netherlands, Scotland, Belgium, Portugal, Denmark, Norway and Sweden further adrift.  </p>
<p>Finally, if a breakaway league can be formed for these countries, it could provide a blue-print for the Eastern European nations that find themselves in the same position.</p>
<p>And it’s not like we haven’t had this before.  The old Yugoslavian league during the Communist era was essentially the same thing being proposed, and was competitive in Europe without the availability of foreign transfers. </p>
<p>If they could set up a league, perhaps even with two tiers, it could gain enough popularity to rival Russia or France, which are broadcast widely.  They could have relegation and promotion with a two tier system.  And for the second division, teams could drop back to their country’s league system if they finished in the bottom three.  Say Hibs came in last in league 2, they could be replaced by Aberdeen, the winner of the SPL.  This could work if it were just one league, too.  The question would be, how many teams would be allowed into the Champions League.  This new league might need to be given a fifth slot to account for the eight countries. </p>
<p>Think about this league:<br />
Celtic<br />
Rangers<br />
Porto<br />
Benfica<br />
Sporting Lisbon<br />
Rosenborg<br />
Valerenga (included because I love them)<br />
FC Copenhagen<br />
Bronby<br />
AIK<br />
Gothenburg<br />
Malmo<br />
PSV<br />
Ajax<br />
Feyenoord<br />
Anderlecht<br />
Club Brugge<br />
Standard Liege<br />
HJK<br />
MyPa</p>
<p>That would be a highly competitive league with historical clubs oozing out of it’s pores.  It would take place in eight countries, two teams each for the 5 million nations and 3 each for the 10 million nations.  The league would encompass a population of 67 million people, taking it past Italy, Spain, England and France.  And other than travel to Portugal, would rarely compete with the travel involved in an Bayern-Hamburg match.  Linguistically, it would entail Dutch, Danish, Norweigian, Swedish, Finnish, English, French and Portuguese. However, the Scandanavian countries can communicate as their languages are so similar, except for the pronunciation differences from Danish to Swedish.  25% of all Finns speak Swedish as well.  Walloonia speaks Dutch.  And to be perfectly honest all of the aforementioned nations, speak better English than the Scots <img src='http://www.bundesligatalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' title="Pondering the Possibilities of the Atlantic League" />   So really we are talking about a league that could concentrate on English and Portuguese.</p>
<p>By the way, the Gaffer may soon be seeking an AtlanticLeagueTalk writer <img src='http://www.bundesligatalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' title="Pondering the Possibilities of the Atlantic League" /> </p>
<p>*Population notes: Belgium 10.5 Netherlands 16.5 Portugal 10.7 Sweden 9.2 Denmark 5.5 Norway 4.7 Finland 5.5 Scotland 5</p>
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		<title>Bundesliga Attendance Figures Dominate Europe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Double Pivot</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[RheinEnergieStadion I used the stats feature at ESPN Soccernet to calcluate the clubs with the best attendances. Out of the top 20 attendances in Europe, Germany had 9 clubs. This post is to equip you with a tool to help promote our great league. Because, while we are in a slump in the Champions League [...]]]></description>
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RheinEnergieStadion</p>
<p>I used the stats feature at <a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/?cc=5901">ESPN Soccernet</a> to calcluate the clubs with the best attendances.  Out of the top 20 attendances in Europe, Germany had 9 clubs.  This post is to equip you with a tool to help promote our great league.  Because, while we are in a slump in the Champions League and don’t make all the news with £80 million transfers, we have the most competitive league, the funnest league and the best attended league in the world.  And we’ll get a team back to the final of the UCL.</p>
<p>There are so many glorious clubs in Europe, yet half of the teams in the Bundesliga (from grand to average) inhabit the best attendance list.  Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, HSV, Hertha, Koln, Stuttgart and Frankfurt beat out the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Roma, PSV, Ajax, Galatasary and Porto.</p>
<p>Spain, England and Italy will make claims to being the greatest league in Europe.  And if you base it solely on recent Champions League performances, they have some validity.  However, since 2000 Valencia, Juventus, Liverpool and Chelsea have all made the Champions League finals from these leagues.   Yet none of these storied teams couldn’t outdraw Eintracht Frankfurt last year.  That’s right: Eintracht Frankfurt!</p>
<p>And while I do recognize that stadium issues prohibit some clubs from doing better, the fact that they can’t get their act together to build a stadium just shows that Germany is the best run league out there.  In the time it took Liverpool to create fancy sketches, Hoffenheim built a stadium.  </p>
<p>Below is a table of the top 20 clubs, attendance-wise.  I’ve noted the position in their league in relation to attendance (note that only England could get a third team in the list) as well as the clubs final position.  Note that while other countries figures seem closely related to how well a club is doing (kudos to Newcastle United fans), Germany had 3 teams in this list that were in the bottom half of the table.  So the next time somebody disparages our grand league or tries to tell you that there is only one big team in Germany, trot out these numbers. </p>
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<td align=right>Rank</td>
<td align=center>League<br />Rank</td>
<td>Club</td>
<td align=right>Average<br />Attend</td>
<td align=right>Final<br />Position</td>
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<td align=right>1.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>Manchester United</td>
<td align=right>75,304</td>
<td align=right>1</td>
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<td align=right>2.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>Barcelona</td>
<td align=right>74,433</td>
<td align=right>1</td>
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<td align=right>3.</td>
<td align=center>2nd</td>
<td>Real Madrid</td>
<td align=right>73,157</td>
<td align=right>2</td>
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<td align=right>4.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td><strong>Borussia Dortmund</strong></td>
<td align=right>72,997</td>
<td align=right>6</td>
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<td align=right>5.</td>
<td align=center>2nd</td>
<td><strong>Bayern Munich</strong></td>
<td align=right>68,647</td>
<td align=right>2</td>
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<td align=right>6.</td>
<td align=center>3rd</td>
<td><strong>Schalke 04</strong></td>
<td align=right>61,373</td>
<td align=right>8</td>
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<tr>
<td align=right>7.</td>
<td align=center>2nd</td>
<td>Arsenal</td>
<td align=right>60,039</td>
<td align=right>4</td>
</tr>
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<td align=right>8.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>AC Milan</td>
<td align=right>58,722</td>
<td align=right>2</td>
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<td align=right>9.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>Celtic</td>
<td align=right>57,670</td>
<td align=right>2</td>
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<td align=right>10.</td>
<td align=center>2nd</td>
<td>Internazionale</td>
<td align=right>55,268</td>
<td align=right>1</td>
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<td align=right>11.</td>
<td align=center>4th</td>
<td><strong>Hamburg SV</strong></td>
<td align=right>54,820</td>
<td align=right>5</td>
<tr>
<td align=right>12.</td>
<td align=center>5th</td>
<td><strong>Hertha Berlin</strong></td>
<td align=right>52,306</td>
<td align=right>4</td>
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<td align=right>13.</td>
<td align=center>6th</td>
<td><strong>VfB Stuttgart</strong></td>
<td align=right align=right>51,829</td>
<td align=right>3</td>
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<td align=right>14.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>Marseille</td>
<td align=right>51,062</td>
<td align=right>2</td>
<tr>
<td align=right>15.</td>
<td align=center>2nd</td>
<td>Rangers</td>
<td align=right>49,533</td>
<td align=right>1</td>
<tr>
<td align=right>16.</td>
<td align=center>7th</td>
<td><strong>FC Köln</strong></td>
<td align=right>49,021</td>
<td align=right>12</td>
<tr>
<td align=right>17.</td>
<td align=center>3rd</td>
<td>Newcastle United</td>
<td align=right>48,749</td>
<td align=right>18</td>
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<td align=right>18.</td>
<td align=center>8th</td>
<td><strong>Mönchengladbach</strong></td>
<td align=right>47,409</td>
<td align=right>15</td>
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<td align=right>19.</td>
<td align=center>9th</td>
<td><strong>Eintracht Frankfurt</strong></td>
<td align=right>46,852</td>
<td align=right>13</td>
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<td align=right>20.</td>
<td align=center>1st</td>
<td>Ajax</td>
<td align=right>46,374</td>
<td align=right>3</td>
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		<title>Marcell Jansen transfers from Bayern to Hamburg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Defender Marcell Jansen has transfered from Bayern München to Hamburg today. The 22-year old played 73 games over 3 seasons for Borussia Mönchengladbach before switching to Bayern. Now after only a single year and 17 games in Bavaria he has moved north to Hamburg for an undisclosed sum. He reportedly signed a five-year contract that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://www.bundesligatalk.com/marcell-jansen-transfers-from-bayern-to-hamburg/64/marcel-jansen-2/" rel="attachment wp-att-66" title="Marcel Jansen"><img src="http://cdn.bundesligatalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/1464.jpg" alt="Marcel Jansen" align="right" hspace="15" vspace="15" title="Marcell Jansen transfers from Bayern to Hamburg" /></a>Defender Marcell Jansen has transfered from Bayern München to Hamburg today.  The 22-year old played 73 games over 3 seasons for Borussia Mönchengladbach before switching to Bayern.  Now after only a single year and 17 games in Bavaria he has moved north to Hamburg for an undisclosed sum.  He reportedly signed a five-year contract that runs until June 30, 2013.</p>
<p>“With Marcell Jansen as well as the transfer of Alex Silva,“<br />
Hamburg CEO Bernd Hoffmann said, “we’re proceeding with signing highly ambitious players with great potential.  Marcell has proven his international quality and will markedly improve us.”</p>
<p>Sports director Dietmar Beiersdorfer added, “This is a carefully planned transfer.  We intensely followed Marcell even before his switch to Bayern München.  He is very versatile on the left side and we expect him to stimulate our wing play.”</p>
<p>Martin Jol’s revamp of Hamburg continues.  Jansen looks set to take Timothee Atouba’s place, who, according to rumors is on his way out.  Celtic had registered some interest in Cameroonian left back over the summer, although these reports are, as of now, still unsubstantiated.</p>
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