Pondering the Possibilities of the Atlantic League

by Double Pivot on October 14, 2009 · 7 comments

Ajax v. Benfica

While the Aughts have been full of speculation/proposal about the Old Firm join­ing the EPL, the 90’s was about the Old Firm join­ing what was dubbed as the Atlantic League. It was a joint pro­posal from the big clubs in the Nether­lands, Scot­land and Por­tu­gal. ESPN is report­ing that there may be another attempt at this break away league, which would involve the afore­men­tioned clubs along with Bel­gium and the Scan­di­na­vian clubs.

I’m all for tra­di­tion, but I like the idea of this league.

For one rea­son, his­toric clubs such as Ajax, Celtic, Rangers, Porto (Mourinho-era aside), Sport­ing, Ben­fica, PSV, Ander­lecht and FC Copen­hagen have no hope of com­pet­ing in the Cham­pi­ons League any longer as they are finan­cially dwarfed by the clubs in the big six leagues of Europe. These are mas­sive clubs and don’t deserve to become also-rans because of the size of their country’s population.

For another Scan­di­navia, which once pro­duced clubs that could cause an upset in Europe, have been reduced to two clubs in the Europa League. Nor­way and Swe­den, which pro­duce many tal­ents for other clubs, haven’t had a team in the knock-out stages since the mid-90’s. Both con­fed­er­a­tions sit in the 20’s in the coef­fi­cient rank­ings. And Den­mark hasn’t been much bet­ter, although they do typ­i­cally have a team in the group stages.

If Michel Pla­tini is about strength­en­ing these leagues, then allow­ing smaller coun­tries to con­sol­i­date to fight the money and pop­u­la­tions of Italy, Spain, France, Eng­land, Rus­sia and Ger­many is only fair. And with Ger­man clubs again com­plain­ing about the 50+1 rule, as was dis­cussed here ear­lier, such a change would only help push the Nether­lands, Scot­land, Bel­gium, Por­tu­gal, Den­mark, Nor­way and Swe­den fur­ther adrift.

Finally, if a break­away league can be formed for these coun­tries, it could pro­vide a blue-print for the East­ern Euro­pean nations that find them­selves in the same position.

And it’s not like we haven’t had this before. The old Yugosla­vian league dur­ing the Com­mu­nist era was essen­tially the same thing being pro­posed, and was com­pet­i­tive in Europe with­out the avail­abil­ity of for­eign transfers.

If they could set up a league, per­haps even with two tiers, it could gain enough pop­u­lar­ity to rival Rus­sia or France, which are broad­cast widely. They could have rel­e­ga­tion and pro­mo­tion with a two tier sys­tem. And for the sec­ond divi­sion, teams could drop back to their country’s league sys­tem if they fin­ished in the bot­tom three. Say Hibs came in last in league 2, they could be replaced by Aberdeen, the win­ner of the SPL. This could work if it were just one league, too. The ques­tion would be, how many teams would be allowed into the Cham­pi­ons League. This new league might need to be given a fifth slot to account for the eight countries.

Think about this league:
Celtic
Rangers
Porto
Ben­fica
Sport­ing Lis­bon
Rosen­borg
Valerenga (included because I love them)
FC Copen­hagen
Bronby
AIK
Gothen­burg
Malmo
PSV
Ajax
Feyeno­ord
Ander­lecht
Club Brugge
Stan­dard Liege
HJK
MyPa

That would be a highly com­pet­i­tive league with his­tor­i­cal clubs ooz­ing out of it’s pores. It would take place in eight coun­tries, two teams each for the 5 mil­lion nations and 3 each for the 10 mil­lion nations. The league would encom­pass a pop­u­la­tion of 67 mil­lion peo­ple, tak­ing it past Italy, Spain, Eng­land and France. And other than travel to Por­tu­gal, would rarely com­pete with the travel involved in an Bayern-Hamburg match. Lin­guis­ti­cally, it would entail Dutch, Dan­ish, Nor­weigian, Swedish, Finnish, Eng­lish, French and Por­tuguese. How­ever, the Scan­dana­vian coun­tries can com­mu­ni­cate as their lan­guages are so sim­i­lar, except for the pro­nun­ci­a­tion dif­fer­ences from Dan­ish to Swedish. 25% of all Finns speak Swedish as well. Wal­loo­nia speaks Dutch. And to be per­fectly hon­est all of the afore­men­tioned nations, speak bet­ter Eng­lish than the Scots ;) So really we are talk­ing about a league that could con­cen­trate on Eng­lish and Portuguese.

By the way, the Gaffer may soon be seek­ing an Atlanti­cLeagueTalk writer :)

*Pop­u­la­tion notes: Bel­gium 10.5 Nether­lands 16.5 Por­tu­gal 10.7 Swe­den 9.2 Den­mark 5.5 Nor­way 4.7 Fin­land 5.5 Scot­land 5

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7 comments… read them below or add one

1 diana October 14, 2009 at 1:13 pm

‘Valerenga (included because I love them)’
Any reasons, DP? ;)

For me among those you listed, MyPa just stands out for some reason for me.

‘While the Aughts have been full of speculation/proposal about the Old Firm joining the EPL, the 90’s was about the Old Firm joining what was dubbed as the Atlantic League.’
So the talk of the Old Firm joining the EPL has been around in the decade when I was born (or actually I was born towards the end of the 80s). That long indeed.

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2 Double Pivot October 14, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Yes, I included MyPa because it’s one of the best football club names ever.

Valerenga because they’re a leftie club….same as Cadiz and St. Pauli. One day, I’m going to do a Valerenga, Malmo FF, St. Pauli, Werder, Cadiz, Vayecano trek :)

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3 Chris October 14, 2009 at 3:48 pm

I, for one, would love to see the Atlantic League come to fruition for all the reasons you describe. I want to see some of the “big” clubs from my youth (the, ahem, 70′s)–Ajax and Anderlecht and Copenhagen–have some relevance again in the world.

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4 mikebsiu October 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Even with these teams, there are some big disparities. The Portuguese, Dutch and the two scottish teams would still dominate. Financially the Scandanavian and Belgian leagues couldnt compete. As a lifelong Anderlecht fan it would be fun to see for a couple of years, but I would miss the local rivalry, and would miss playing in Europe, since we probably couldnt compete with these top teams to qualify.

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5 Muuh October 19, 2009 at 7:47 am

The idea of combining smaller leagues arround Europe to compete with bigger ones sounds very interesting. Maybe that big a league is too big a first step though. Why not think about merging some regional leagues first, like Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg into one, or like the 4 Skandinavian countries. This way u still have quite a few of the old revalries going on and not only just a lot of almost strangers playing each other. Also I cant agree with your argument that Hamburg – Munich is the same as going to Finland, Portugal, Schottland and so on every other week. It´s different time zones, it´s different climate … just to name some. Also its a difference to have a far away game twice a season or every away game.

Also, if you take away the 2/3/4 best teams in every league, all the many other small clubs play like a meaningless first country league. If you have lets say about 7 teams from every country in the combined first league though all the rest can be a second division and still have some sort of competition thats worth mentioning I would imagine.

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6 BallinBrad October 21, 2009 at 3:09 am

This is very interesting to me. But I do wonder about the green issues of all that travel,
It just doesn’t seem right. But what if there was a new champions type league for these
Teams? Their own trophy and competition in which maybe there were actually more games
Than the Champions League but this would still be far less than a regualr play
every week league. Maybe even create a lesser trophy geared towards the Scan
/Belgium teams or perhaps not. Its all exciting to think about. With my idea too
It wouldn’t take away these teams from their normal leagues. I do think that combining
some keagues like one of the other commenters talked about would be good as well.
Anything that woukd strengthen teams and create more competition I am for.
Its true the Champions League has become the “show me the €/£ money league,” and these
teams can’t compete anymore we are speaking of.

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7 Ron November 1, 2009 at 9:54 am

Relegation and Promotion. How is that handled?

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